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  • Nate

  • Gönderi #21
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@OK_Rabbit, note both mousewheel and ctrl+RMB scales both axes the same amount (ie zooms) while alt+RMB adjusts the scale of each axis separately, depending how far you move left/right and up/down.

However it's much easier to just press Frame or turn on auto framing using the Auto button. That fits all the curves to the size of the graph. Usually that is what you want but if it's not, often it only takes a little fiddling to get from there to the view you want.

Also note you can click the dots next to each row in the graph to control which curves are shown. This can help when you need to hide a curve that has large values so you can more easily work on a curve with smaller values.

THANK YOU NATE!!

Frame was EXACTLY what I was looking for 🙂 🙂 🙂 I don't know how I possibly missed that button. Alt+RMB works beautifully too! Editing keys is SO much easier now!

What does the "Auto" button do? That one doesn't seem to have a tooltip, and nothing seems to happen when I activate it :think:

  • Nate

  • Gönderi #23
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Cool. 🙂 It frames the graph automatically, any time the rows in the graph change. Auto is checked by default. We'll add a tooltip.

Oh wow that's super useful! I had unchecked it myself at some point, my workflow is even MORE efficient now that it's active and I don't need to hit "frame" every time I switch over to new bone. Great feature 😃

I'm so excited about Spine, this graph editor is so intuitive to use. Especially now that I know what (most of) the buttons do!

Great job! :heart: :heart: :heart: I am waiting for this kind of graphs editor from the Kickstarter era. The next big milestone will be when the graph and timeline editor windows will be possible to be placed on a different screen .

  • Friebel

    • Gönderi #26
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    Great addition! Definitely a time saver and makes everything way more intuitive!

    5 gün sonra

    Hi.
    (First post, and couldn't find a bug report forum)

    I cannot run 4.0.22-beta.
    Every time I select that version in the launcher, the launcher closes and Spine never opens.
    Version 4.0.20-beta runs just fine every time.

    Running on macOS 10.15.7

    • Nate

    • Gönderi #28
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    @RmB303 Sorry about that, 4.0.22-beta had a problem on macOS. Please try 4.0.23-beta or choose Latest beta.

    @Nate Beta 23 works fine - didn't notice there was a newer version! Thanks.

    • Nate

    • Gönderi #30
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    4.0.24-beta is now available and brings separate keying of X and Y for translate, scale, and shear! It also allows keying RGB separately from alpha.
    Spine: Changelog: v4.0.24 beta

    Nate yazdı

    4.0.24-beta is now available and brings separate keying of X and Y for translate, scale, and shear! It also allows keying RGB separately from alpha.
    Spine: Changelog: v4.0.24 beta

    Cool!

    Using 4.0.26-beta here I only see one key-button next to these transform (I would expect this button to be split on X and Y) and when moving an x-keyframe in the graph on for example translate, y still moves along over the time axis. Also I only see 'Translate', 'Rotate' or 'Scale' as a property-row in the Graph or Dopesheet, not TranslateX/TranslateY etc. So far I'm not seeing buttons to sync/not-sync x and y in the UI neither.

    So don't see a change really, but I'm probably missing something here?! How can we put keyframes on only x or y of the transforms in the editor?

    • Nate

    • Gönderi #32
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    When you select a bone in animate mode, it has 3 new checkboxes:

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    When checked, you'll get separate X/Y timelines for that bone in the current animation. The same goes for slots to separate RGB and alpha:

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    This allows us to support both combined and separated timelines. It's slightly more efficient to use combined timelines (fewer timelines the less work to apply an animation) unless you key only X or only Y, but the main reason we allow combined timelines is that fewer timelines are easier to manage. If all translate timelines were separate X and Y timelines, it could mean 20+ additional timelines for a moderately complex skeleton (1 extra timeline per bone that keys translation).

    14 gün sonra

    • foriero

      • Gönderi #33
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      I suppose we are two weeks from 4.0 full release right?

      And multi monitor is around 3 months away, right? :-)

      3 ay sonra

      • KKani

        • Gönderi #34
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        Hi,
        Any ETA on cocos2d-x runtimes? Beta and manual integration is ok 🙂

        24 gün sonra

        Hello,
        From version 3.8 and below, I can box select a bundle of keyframes and stretch them but it seem to be no longer exist in spine 4.0
        How can I be able to do the same in 4.0?

        • Nate

        • Gönderi #36
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        In v4.0+, make the box selection, then wait about half a second until the edges turn blue, then you can drag the edges. This allows you to box select without having the big box in the way, unless you need it.

        11 gün sonra

        • RRajah

          • Gönderi #37
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          Nate yazdı

          In v4.0+, make the box selection, then wait about half a second until the edges turn blue, then you can drag the edges. This allows you to box select without having the big box in the way, unless you need it.

          Long time Spine user here, I switched to the v4-beta today, overall, fantastic and exciting new features - but I searched for this for about an hour lmao I was all panicked the dragging option would have been disabled (for no reason?), I almost switched back to good ol' Spine v3 because I couldn't figure how to expand my anymation anymore. It's a major change to a core feature when you're an old time user and I think I'm not the only one who will be confused - But maybe you made a notice about this somewhere and I missed it? Sorry if that's the case.

          This new selection system works fine tho, it's very pleasant.

          Thank you for your hard work I'm very satisfied with this update otherwise.

          • Nate

          • Gönderi #38
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          Sorry Rajah! The delay is pretty low, I expected people to find it after a couple tries. Maybe lowering it a little more would help.

          7 gün sonra

          • SysOp

            • Gönderi #39
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            Hi guys, for some unknown reason, when trying to run latest launcher, I'm getting this:

            I'm on Windows 7, 64 bits. Never had this issue with previous launcher. Here's, in fact, the two of them:

            Anybody has any idea what's going on? Thanks in advance.

            EDIT: More information - I don't have any antivirus running, I don't have any programs that might hook its process or something, that I know of. Tried disabling firewall, disabling AMD Radeon overlay, doesn't work either.
            EDIT2: Seems like my multi-monitor management software might be the culprit, but it's hard to know.

            I just can't simply uninstall that software. Can you guys revert this new system back or make it less sensitive? I don't see why this is a good idea at all. It was working perfectly fine before.

            EDIT3: It also detects Comodo Firewall .dlls and won't run because of it. I can't uninstall that either.

            • Nate

            • Gönderi #40
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            It's likely Comodo Firewall causing the problem. Another user had the same problem with it:
            Unable to launch

            Comodo Firewall attaches to Spine's process and mucks around with things even if Comodo Firewall is disabled. That is quite nasty behavior, especially for what is supposed to be a firewall. You said you can't install it, is that because you need a software firewall? If so I can suggest using Windows Firewall Control instead, as I mentioned in that thread.

            We have had lots and lots of problems with antivirus wrecking Spine. Sometimes they prevent Spine from running at all. Sometimes they let most of Spine work, but break some parts so it crashes later. Sometimes they let Spine run for a while, then delete or modify Spine's files later. When this stuff is happening, it creates a lot of noise for us. It becomes difficult or impossible for us to tell whether a crash is because there is a legitimate problem we need to fix, or if an antivirus has caused the problem. Users suffer crashes and other problems, contact us about them, and it takes a lot of our time to research the issues.

            That is why it's much better to know that other software is poking holes in Spine so it can be fixed up front. Running software that mucks around in every application running on your computer is generally a bad idea. It causes problems with other software, it slows everything that runs on the computer, and it provides very little to no actual protection.

            I know you are having a specific problem and would like to solve that. I expect uninstalling Comodo will be sufficient, so I hope that is possible. I doubt UltraMon is a problem. Process Monitor logs a whole lot of stuff for many reasons and not all of it is not important.